When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?

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    MattS
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    Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?

    Now, after two full years of a Donald Trump administration in which he enjoyed both houses of Congress being held by fellow Republicans, we all know (and if we don’t, it’s because we don’t WANT to know) that none of the above has happened. Yet, Christians and conservatives by the millions continue to make excuses for this faker.

    Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?

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    Tony Koretz
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    It’s a very good article. Nails it!

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    Vlad
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    I hate to be negative and pessimistic because I have friends and family that live in the U.S. but having lived and worked there myself for many years and am very much in touch in what is going on and what folks are saying first hand….well..I think the country is a lost cause and it is rapidly collapsing.
    actually I draw a pension from that country too so I pay close attention.
    Without true and actual repentance and a 180 deg. turnabout the deceived are racing into a trap of destruction and enslavement from their so called allies….I mean enemies. Trump is serving his purpose…..and I wonder if it is not part or God’s judgement to have him in there. I can’t imagine he is not a one term president. The puppet masters will have the demonic globalist they want placed in office to bring about the final act of bringing a once great country into chaos, collapse, ruin and foreign occupation. What does the title evangelic Christian actually mean today?? I feel very little connect or feel very little in common with the main stream “Christians” and sad to say I an a particularly good or righteous person. …..but I know right from wrong and have enough discernment to know that there is something rotten in Denmark and putrid in Poland…..and certainly dead and decomposing in Washington DC. Trump is not the answer and never will be…and I suspect time will prove this correct. Pray for the USA as well for our own countries…the hour is late.

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    Moritz
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    While the Lord’s knows best, what should happen and why (whatever this may be, I pray it will happen), it´s understandable that you and me and everyone else is also praying prayers according to one’s own geopolitical understanding.

    Well, how do I phrase my prayers for the nations? He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

    I think Australia and New Zealand are probably among the most cozy places to be in the coming days. You will probably play it safe and stay out of trouble. I honestly can´t see why some busy greater powers would go out of their way to put down koalas and kiwis. Being on the sidelines can be a blessing. I pray you will be blessed.

    Is Canada still a thing? Perhaps they will just be ignored if they´re lucky and their prime minister goes on an extended ice fishing trip when shtf.

    Concerning the USA (and England to an extent): …Hmm … I listen less to Donald Trump and more to Henry Gruver so I hope the remnant over there goes where the good Lord leads them to go and that they´re able to offer support and explanations and of course the gospel to their fellow inhabitants who suddenly might find themselves to be in an awkward situation as a society.

    I certainly pray for my country to further deepen the already developing Eurasian strategic partnership along the new silkroad, including (re)discovering shared cultural values as well as entering mutually beneficial agreements and pursuing common national security interests.

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    MattS
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    Moritz, it is really hard to say where a good place will be in the coming years, New Zealand seems like a good place but it is geologically very unstable. NZ sits right on top of the edges of two tectonic plates and has quite a few volcanoes. We get regular earthquake activity so if the earth becomes geologically unstable, many parts of NZ will not be good to be living in. Australia is more geologically stable but it has extremes of weather. Both countries seem stable but (I think Louise Brislane may well agree) they are both spiritually bankrupt, I think NZ more so than Australia.

    I have friends in Canada who say that it has gone downhill since Justin Trudeau came to power and is getting worse by the day, it is so hard to know where it will be good other than being in the will of God.

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    Vlad
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    I just need to make a correction to my last 2 cents worth. I intended to say “I am not a particularly good or righteous person”. I see that I stated that I was a good and righteous person. May God forgive me! Ha! slip of the tongue…I mean keyboard.

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    Tony Koretz
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    Evangelicals trade moral authority for political gain in defending Trump

    The opinions expressed in this article are the author’s own.

    Evangelicals who rationalize Donald Trump’s misbehavior are sacrificing their moral authority at the altar of politics.

    Before the election, I warned my fellow evangelicals to not vote for Trump, that associating with a person of Trump’s character would damage us.

    “But a revival won’t be jumpstarted by voting for Trump, a person whose values are antithetical to all the Church holds dear,” I wrote at the time. “If anything, backing Trump will only stunt the growth of the Church in America.”

    Now, two years into the Trump presidency, I’m sad to report I was correct.

    Polling data shows that most white evangelicals have been influenced more by Trump’s race-baiting and anti-immigrant rhetoric than the Bible. An October 2017 PRRI survey found that 61 percent of white evangelicals supported Trump’s temporary ban on immigration from majority-Muslim countries. A July 2018 PRRI survey found that about half, 52 percent, of white evangelicals decried the trend of America becoming increasingly non-white.

    Amid sexual misconduct scandals, Americans are rethinking the wisdom of the sexual revolution and its “anything goes as long as there is consent” sexual ethic. What a wonderful opportunity to point out what conservative Christians have been saying all along — sex is a spiritual act and should be saved for the covenantal devotion of marriage. Instead, many of us are supporting a misogynist who bragged about assaulting women, and paid hush money to a porn star and a Playboy bunny. Why should anyone trust us?

    One common argument is that, despite all the problems with backing Trump, the alliance will ultimately be fruitful because it will lead to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. This is a powerful argument for pro-lifers, who’ve worked long and hard to put an end to legalized abortion. Personal sacrifices are certainly worthwhile to stop the death of unborn babies. No one should believe protecting their public persona is more important than this.

    But backing Trump won’t end abortion. Just the opposite. In aligning with Trump, pro-lifers are only extending the time that will ultimately be required to end abortion because they’re losing their moral authority to speak on this issue.

    If you use double standards, you are harming your ability to convince others. The reasoning of hypocrites isn’t trusted.

    Suppose that through Trump’s judicial appointments, the Supreme Court achieves a majority willing to overturn Roe. (The odds of this happening appear good after the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh.) Most likely, the Court will not ban abortion nationwide, but return to allowing each state to decide its abortion laws. This means the fight to end abortion will not be over with the overturning of Roe. We would still need to convince the public and state governments that abortion should be illegal.

    At its core, the fight for the life of the unborn has always been more about persuasion than legal victories. Foremost, we pro-lifers should be working to convince the public that abortion is wrong, a fetus is a human who should have a chance at life, and there is no such thing as an unwanted baby. While ending Roe would be an important step toward making abortion illegal, doing so while diminishing our moral authority puts us one step forward but two steps back from convincing pregnant moms in crisis to not seek an abortion, and the public that abortion should be illegal.

    On another issue that evangelicals care deeply about — Christian persecution — Trump’s evangelical supporters have failed to successfully use their access to the president. Trump drastically cut back on the number of refugees able to seek asylum in the U.S. We should try to help all refugees, but notably, many of those for whom Trump is denying aid are our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Evangelicals urged Trump not to do this, but he did it anyway. So, what have evangelical Trump supporters gained with their access to the president? Have they been swindled by a con artist?

    Before Prison Fellowship founder Chuck Colson became a Christian, he was a ruthless political operative who helped Richard Nixon devise his “Silent Majority” strategy. In his 1987 book, Kingdoms in Conflict, he described how he helped Nixon build this silent majority coalition, which included Southern evangelicals.

    Colson would bring various leaders to the White House to enthrall them with the mystique of political power. He wrote,

    “First, they [evangelical leaders] dined with me in the executive dining room located in the basement of the West Wing. I would escort my guests past saluting guards, down a long corridor lined with dramatic photographs of the president in action, then pause at the door to the dining room, pointing to another door to the right. ‘That’s the situation room,’ I’d say in hushed tones. They all knew of the legendary super-secret national-security nerve center. The very words conjured up images of map-covered walls, whirring computers, and a bevy of generals studying the movements of Soviet aircraft. (Actually, it was then nothing more than a large crowded office with some communications equipment and old charts on the wall ….)”

    The ruse worked most of the time, Colson wrote, but those who “needed more prodding” were taken to the Oval Office, perhaps even to meet the president himself.

    “Invariably, the lions of the waiting room became the lambs of the Oval Office,” Colson recalled.

    The only exception, he said, were labor leaders. Pageantry didn’t impress blue collar representatives. Christian leaders, on the other hand, were the most easily duped.

    In a paragraph that every evangelical leader should heed in the age of Trump, Colson added,

    “Ironically, none were more compliant than the religious leaders. Of all people, they should have been the most aware of the sinful nature of man and the least overwhelmed by pomp and protocol. But theological knowledge sometimes wilts in the face of worldly power.”

    Evangelical Trump-supporting leaders are making the same mistake today, thinking that this time is different, that they are different, that they can play with fire and not get burned. They are wrong.

    Colson also recalled how he and Nixon won the support of one particular Christian leader they thought they needed to win certain Northeastern and Midwestern states in the 1972 election. The leader was invited to a private dinner with Nixon on the presidential yacht. In Colson’s view, he was an honorable person, and to his credit was able to extract some promises from Nixon during their conversation. Yet, Colson concluded, “even such a wise, honorable, and religious person could not help but be impressed by the trappings of power.”

    Trump uses some of the same techniques with his Evangelical Advisory Council that Colson and Nixon used on religious leaders of their time

    READ MORE https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-trade-moral-authority-for-political-gain-in-defending-trump.html

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