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    Tony Koretz
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    Live coverage: Christchurch mosque attacks – nine killed in mass shooting

    Live coverage: Christchurch mosque attacks – nine killed in mass shooting

    4:00pm: Latest update from police: There have been multiple fatalities, there is still an active shooter scenario playing out.
    One person is in custody and there have been people killed in two mosques, one on Deans Ave and one in Linwood.

    Live Feed One https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111313938/live-coverage-police-attending-evolving-situation-in-christchurch?rm=a

    Live Feed Two https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-eyewitnesses-report-multiple-people-shot-christchurch-mosque-reports-second-incident-different?variant=tb_v_40

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    #10561

    Tony Koretz
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    Now they are saying at least 30 dead and four arrested. Looks like the shooter was a Trump supporter too. Imagine how that will get spun!

    READ MORE https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/14/brenton-tarrant-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-used-fa/

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    #10563

    Tony Koretz
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    7:26pm: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has just confirmed that 40 people have died in the mosque attacks.
    She said that 10 people were killed at the Linwood mosque and 30 at the Deans Ave mosque.
    A further 20 people have been seriously injured.

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    #10564

    Tony Koretz
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    49 people have died

    Police Commissioner Mike Bush said, “the total number of people who have died in this horrendous event are 49”.

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    #10565

    Moritz
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    There are few things about the time and place I find noteworthy: First of all, beware the Ides of March! March 15 was not only the day of the assassination of Julius Cesar, it was in Roman society known as a deadline for settling debts (how about payback for what a certain group of immigrants did in the last years?). Then it happened in the NZ timezone so that the whole rest of the world would have to witness and talk about it on said date. Then it happened in Christchurch of all places and the significance of this name will certainly not be overlooked by the Muslims. Since it is a Friday, they all would gather to their traditional Friday prayer to talk about this at length in their respective timezones in their respective (host) countries. This will have severe consequences for sure.

    Be ye not troubled, let´s get a cup of hot coco first and think this through. I´m more the analytical type of person, so if you would like to read something with intense emotions just head over to some random Twitter account. If I would write something like I was crying or so, I would make a mockery out of this sincere expression of the strong feelings of good people and probably brothers and sisters (especially sisters) in Christ who are perhaps really in shock and terror right now AND I would lie to the Holy Spirit who knows perfectly well how I do or do not feel.

    Besides, it´s interesting to look at the strategical perspective of the perpetrator. In all military academies worldwide, no matter the ideological affiliation, you get a lot out of reading Sun Tzu and Clausewitz – and you could add Lenin to this list too, especially to learn about the dialectics of escalation. There´s a reason Leninist writings were put on the recommended readings list for students by Al Quaida leaders like Abu Musab Al-suri.

    I already read Christians posting stuff like “What should we take away from this senseless loss of life?” and I have to wonder how you just jump to the conclusion that it was without a sense? Perhaps it didn´t make sense to you because you just don´t get it, because you didn´t study the right stuff, because the children of this world are once again smarter than the children of the light?

    See, it was a cold-blooded and calculated, Un-Christian but professional move to reach a certain goal which in this case is to provoke retaliation from the Muslims which will lead to further escalation. If you were of the opinion that a giant war with the Muslim world was inevitable, and that the main battlefield were to be the western countries that had a mass influx of Muslim immigrants, and that according to the demographics the number of their people and therefore potential enemy troops were rapidly increasing and the number of your people and potential troops were rapidly decreasing, then you would reach the strategic conclusion that this war should be fought sooner than later to win it. For the perpetrator this was likely never about hating or killing these individuals in the mosques or to merely satisfy his bloodlust or getting onto a personal power trip , it was the geopolitical consequences of his actions that mattered to him.

    We Christian should be obviously opposed to commiting murderous acts like this against Muslim non-combatants to get such a civil war started – because of our theology. But if you don´t share our theology about how Jesus would love Muslims who go to mosques to search Allah to eventually find Him… then a person might find this illegal act of terror to be a tragic but justifiable strategic move to ultimately achieve the morally good ending in the coming conflict according to his worldview. In other words: It would absolutely appear as a logical conclusion for the perpetrator. The KGB were not simply irrational madmen either who lost it and went out as hitmen and did things without regards for the outcome and counting on the ripple effects of certain events.

    I would like to add that there is the possibility that according to what is known in Italian as strategia della tensione (strategy of tension), back in the days Italian intelligence agencies orchestrated a number of false-flag attacks that were blamed on the Communists to manipulate the public opinion against the political Left. The very same western agencies today, that are openly globalist now, could use a strategy like this to discredit the traditional sociopolitical base of the defenders of the nation state (for example patriotic Christian European New Zealanders). And if they threw in a MAGA hat and some cryptic remarks about globalist chancellors, they could utilize such an event to their political advantage in all of our countries. But in all honesty, you don´t even really need an elaborated conspiracy because at this point in time you can easily find enough people who are becoming politically radicalized very quickly as a reaction to the very real Muslim behavior in their countries.
    Be that as it may: politicans, patriots, intelligence officers, immigrants – you all need Jesus!

    #10567

    Tony Koretz
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    Wow- Jacinda Ardern wore a hijab.. Far out that is not a good sign at all. It’s fine to grieve with the Islamic community over this tragedy. All of NZ grieves with them. So many poor innocent people died. But for her to wear a hijab in solidarity with them is going to another level. Remembering that a) she was raised as a mormon b) she was the recipient of a Freemason scholarship c) she arose to prominence from nowhere. d) she is a socialist

    I think this is going to be a game changer not only in NZ but in the West overall. It’s pretty distressing to see the extreme views coming out as a result of this tragedy. It will be a defining day in vilifying Christians ( even though the shooter wasn’t one), vilifying white males, gun owners, and patriots. It is also probably going to embolden the fringe elements in the left, radical socialists, and to give Islamic terrorists a reason to retaliate as a response to that idiot gunman’s actions. It will also probably further radicalise some extremists on the right too. But that is exactly what the shooter was trying to do, according to his manifesto……and it is already happening.

    I am tired of hearing American Patriots telling people to lock and load and buy more guns. But I am equally tired of socialists trying to take away all guns. I am sick of people blaming all white patriots as being evil, I am equally sick of those that want to allow more and more muslims into the west, and don’t see what is happening in the west as a result. But at the same time extremists on the right wing end are just as bad. There is no excuse for violent gun crimes. Extreme left- extreme white…perfect Hegelian dialectic tools to engineer chaos from which the global elite will bring their version of order. It’s always been their Plan, That shooter was a total sicko, and was not in any way representative of New Zealanders. Well and he wasn’t even a New Zealander!. Was this a false flag deliberately planned event- I don’t know. But what is obvious is that it is going to be used to bring tougher laws in NZ. Likely it will affect laws in other countries too. Sorry but NZ and the west is now stuffed as I see it. It’s all going to get worse from here- and it’s sad! What I also find disturbing, is that even comments like what I have just written here are not politically correct these days, and the fact that we have to even worry about expressing views like this now shows me how far we have fallen. A few years ago no one would have worried about saying things like this, but now you have to think so carefully about what you even say about tragedies like this. We need to get our eyes onto Jesus and love not the world. I only see it getting tougher for Christians from here on out.

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    #10568

    Tony Koretz
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    Ok here is the best article I can find on the current law for owning semi-automatic MSSA style guns. After reading it, it makes sense as to why the Police wanted a law change ahead of the shooting that happened in Christchurch. There are loopholes in the current law that shouldn’t be there. It’s worth reading:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105882611/the-battle-over-semiautomatics-police-frustrated-by-the-law-firearm-owners-frustrated-by-police

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    Tony Koretz
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    #10613

    Tony Koretz
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    Now the Mongrel Mob, which is a NZ gang that has many criminal elements within, are pledging to guard mosques. Perfect opportunity for them to try to legitimise themselves in the eyes of New Zealanders. Other gangs are also following suit. Good Old Stuff dot co dot nz is helping to legitimise them too it seems, by publishing an article like this. I wouldn’t mind betting that a huge proportion of the illegally modified firearms in NZ are actually owned by the Mongrel Mob. Stuff you have a huge double standard and are a socialist leaning mouthpiece!

    Mongrel Mob gang members to stand guard at local mosque, in support of Muslim Kiwis

    The head of the Waikato Muslim Association said he hopes gang members will join Muslims for Friday prayers after the Mongrel Mob pledged to guard Hamilton’s mosque.

    Waikato Mongrel Mob president Sonny Fatu has committed to guarding Jamia Masjid Mosque in Hamilton during Jummah (Friday prayers).

    READ MORE https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111395229/mongrel-mob-gang-members-to-stand-guard-at-local-mosque-in-support-of-muslim-kiwis

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    #10629

    Tony Koretz
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    My Comment I believe that there needs to be proper consultation between the law makers, the police, and firearms owners and associations, BEFORE any knee-jerk reaction laws are created. If there are to be changes to the law, they need to be gotten right!

    Frustrated at moves to tighten gun controls, firearms owners are mobilising

    The country’s firearm community is not small. There’s 238,700 people with firearm licences, the vast majority males between 40 and 70 years old.

    READ MORE https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99636184/frustrated-at-moves-to-tighten-gun-controls-firearms-owners-are-mobilising

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    #10638

    Tony Koretz
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    What is likely to change with gun law reform after Christchurch mosque shooting

    READ MORE https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111440490/what-is-likely-to-change-with-gun-law-reform-after-christchurch-mosque-shooting

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    #10639

    Tony Koretz
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    Police announce process to hand over reclassified MSSAs

    Here’s a full update on the recent gun changes from Police Commissioner Mike Bush:

    Last Friday, our country was shocked by a brutal and senseless attack. We recognise our world has changed.

    Police focus is on ensuring the immediate safety and peace of mind of our communities.

    Today, the Government has made immediate changes to classifications in the Arms Act which will mean some firearms are going to be reclassified as military style semi-automatic firearms (MSSAs).

    At 3pm today, changes have been by an Order in Council under section 74A(c) of the Arms Act came into force adding two more groups of semi-automatics under the MSSA definition:

    • a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges; and

    • a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

    As a result of these changes many people who, up until now have owned these firearms legally, will no longer be able to possess them on their current licence conditions.

    This means for many people, you will now be in unlawful possession of your firearm.

    Given this is an immediate change, there is an amnesty to allow the notification and hand in their firearms to Police.

    To organise the hand in of your firearm, you will need to complete a form on the Police website.

    Those who are unable to do so can call Police on 0800 311 311.

    When the form is submitted Police will be notified you are in possession of a firearm that needs to be handed in.

    We will contact you to organise a suitable time and place for you to hand over your firearm.

    This may mean you bring it to Police at an allocated time, or a Police employee comes to you directly to collect the firearm.

    I can’t emphasise enough that in the current environment, it is important you do not take your now-unlawful firearm anywhere without notifying Police.

    It is absolutely vital that we manage the safe and organised transport of all firearms into Police custody.

    There is clear information on our website around what firearms are affected by the change and what to do if your firearm if affected.

    The Government has signalled there will be further changes made over the coming weeks to ban all military style semi-automatics and assault rifles permanently.

    While legislation is being finalised, the Government in the interim has acted to restrict the potential stock-piling of these guns, parts and high-capacity magazines, prevent additional purchases and encourage people to notify Police about their intention to hand in their firearms.

    We will continue to update the public and especially the firearms community as required.

    READ MORE https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111442846/christchurch-mosque-shootings-live-emotional-haka-broke-out-near-christchurch-mosque

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    #10640

    Sarah
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    Tony,thus is just absolutely crazy!
    I can’t even begin to explain the frustration on my end let alone your frustration being you’re a resident of NZ.. crazy!

    #10641

    Tony Koretz
    Keymaster

    Earlier this afternoon, an Order in Council under section 74A(c) of the Arms Act was signed by the Governor-General to reclassify a wider range of semi-automatic weapons under the Act. It came into effect at 3pm today.
    “This interim measure will ensure that all of the weapons being banned under amendments to the Arms Act are now categorised as weapons requiring an E endorsement on a firearms licence.
    “The effect of this is that it will prevent the sale of MSSAs and assault rifles to people with A category gun licences. The Order in Council is a transitional measure until the wider ban takes effect.
    “We are introducing transitionary measures for gun owners to hand in their guns to Police to hold until details of a buy-back are announced. Likewise, the Police continue to accept guns for destruction.
    “Again, we encourage gun owners to phone in to Police ahead of time to advise them they are bringing their guns in to the station,” Stuart Nash said.
    “The actions announced today are the first step of the Government’s response. We will continue to develop stronger and more effective licensing rules, storage requirements and penalties for not complying with gun regulations. It is the Government’s intention that these amendments will go through the full legislative process,” Jacinda Ardern said.
    “To owners who have legitimate uses for their guns, I want to reiterate that the actions being announced today are not because of you, and are not directed at you. Our actions, on behalf of all New Zealanders, are directed at making sure this never happens again.”

    READ MORE https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-bans-military-style-semi-automatics-and-assault-rifles

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    #10646

    Tony Koretz
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    I sent the following email to Jacinda Ardern and also a similar one to Winston Peters:
    Dear Prime Minister,
    Jacinda Ardern, I am emailing to voice my concern about the fact that New Zealand State broadcasting is being used to air an Islamic call to prayer. I fully understand that as a nation we are horrified at what has happened in Christchurch, and we all feel terrible for the families of the muslims who were gunned down. As New Zealanders we feel grief for those families, and sorrow at what has occurred. However, I do not feel that airing an Islamic call to prayer on National television, and on radio is appropriate, particularly as in recent months we have seen the removal of the name of Jesus Christ from the parliamentary prayer, and the repealing of a long held law against blaspheming the name of Jesus Christ in New Zealand as well. Having done those things, as well as having allowed people to wrongly call the alleged shooter a “Christian extremist” on state radio and television, when his manifesto clearly shows he was not Christian, leaves me, and I know also many others, either alarmed or disturbed by this call to Islamic prayer. Grieving with the Muslim community should not mean also state sponsorship of their religion.
    Yours Faithfully,
    Tony Koretz

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